2215 The Fans of Fistic Arts 3002 2009-05-30T19:22:42Z 1636 Group false 8433795 false 0 false 2009-11-07T03:08:11Z 2 false Thanks Kieran, Cotto has the smallest hands I have ever seen on a hard puncher ------------- http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AwCuQWGYjmc/Sqm__azX_aI/AAAAAAAAAMw/ULZhHo_yNdI/s1600-h/1e5b3a6f4b8b9bedf990053c037f33900ac15e50793f8d28cbe92fc2966940824dbd7803daa087d7f13552e04a7409a947b8b7448cabbf95f78501b0be14ed4cdb279d5f20796.jpg 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-07T03:08:11Z false 2995012 0 false 2009-11-07T03:08:11Z 2032427 November, 07 2009 03:08:11 2008-04-13T00:00:00Z addex199 -36000 false Maxxx.. Recycle, reduce, re-use. http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/254165 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-07T01:59:47Z false 2994322 0 false 2009-11-07T01:59:47Z 1421835 November, 07 2009 01:59:47 2008-02-07T00:00:00Z PasstheShooga -28800 false Chad Dawson 175lb Glen Johnson 173.5lb 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:57:50Z false 2993023 0 false 2009-11-06T21:57:50Z 1327796 November, 06 2009 21:57:50 2007-12-09T00:00:00Z Ali_1748 0 false addex: Off the top of my head, if I understand correctly what you mean, of contemporary fighters I would say Valero and Cotto. Neither of them swing for the fences, you rarely see them just tear into people, but it's clear from the impact of their shots that they have a real impact when they land. I also think BHop is heavier handed than he gets credit for. he doesn't stop people anymore, because he fights so conservatively, but there's a reason he is so often able to make opponents fight his fight. I saw it vividly against Howard Eastman: he tagged him with some short right hands early and Eastman folded his tent and followed him meekly round the ring for 12 rounds. And Robert Allen was a broken man after fighting him three times. Just my $0.02. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:57:01Z false 2993014 0 false 2009-11-06T21:57:01Z 515148 November, 06 2009 21:57:01 2003-07-01T00:00:00Z KieranAK -18000 false Vitali Klitschko says Haye will get robbed in Germany. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:50:50Z false 2992979 0 false 2009-11-06T21:50:50Z 1327796 November, 06 2009 21:50:50 2007-12-09T00:00:00Z Ali_1748 0 false Anyone else freaked out by the fact that Valuev-Haye is the proportional size equivalent of Haye-Cotto? I don't doubt that Haye's stamina is better at HW but it'll be a big ? until it get proven/disproven (probably in this fight). In fact there's so many ?s it's hard to pick for or against Haye. All I know is that the Beast from the East needs to go as Champ, he's good as a side-show but not a champion. His fights are not compelling, they're not interesting, hardly televised. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:41:27Z false 2992945 1 false 2009-11-06T21:50:12Z 1406391 November, 06 2009 21:41:27 2008-01-28T00:00:00Z the_brigand -36000 false Interesting what Barrett said about Haye not being "heavy handed" but having something behind his shots and that he hits the same as Wladimir. Thats crazy especially since Haye is about 35 pounds less than Wlad. Its hard to say who is heavy handed for sure because I would say Haye seems so. Kind of like after Pavlik TKOd McKart and Bronco said "it's not that he hits hard but that he has something behind every shot" after being stopped for the first time in his career. Kieran, who would you say is definitely heavy handed from your years of boxing experience? 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:38:11Z false 2992934 1 false 2009-11-06T21:49:44Z 2032427 November, 06 2009 21:38:11 2008-04-13T00:00:00Z addex199 -36000 false I've been trying to compare this fight to Adamek-Golota, but keep thinking what you're saying Brig. Valuev size might be too much for Haye to overcome, cant see Haye doing what Adamek did to Golota to Valuev. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:46:05Z false 2992962 0 false 2009-11-06T21:46:05Z 1988684 November, 06 2009 21:46:05 2004-03-03T00:00:00Z gomez1012 -18000 false As long as Haye fights smart I can see him chopping Valuev down for a 7th round KO. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:25:49Z false 2992874 0 false 2009-11-06T21:25:49Z 1327796 November, 06 2009 21:25:49 2007-12-09T00:00:00Z Ali_1748 0 false Dan really does hate Haye ever since the mall scene with Wladimir he's acted like Haye urinated on his pancakes and screwed his wife #### I don't understand why everyone thinks Haye's chin is weak yes he's been knocked down about 3 or 4 times throughout his whole professional career but he's never once done a Khan jelly leg dance or even been KO'd. His corner threw in the towel against Thomson when Haye completely gassed himself out. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:24:37Z false 2992868 0 false 2009-11-06T21:24:37Z 1327796 November, 06 2009 21:24:37 2007-12-09T00:00:00Z Ali_1748 0 false Graham Houston, whose picks are normally right on the money, also picks Valuev, perhaps by stoppage around round 10 or so. I'm picking Haye, but the concerns about Haye's stamina and chin are legit. I don't see Haye getting KTFO, but I can certainly envisage him running out of gas and the big guy's jab thudding him in the chest until he's done. That said, I'll go with Haye by narrow decision. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:20:12Z false 2992856 0 false 2009-11-06T21:20:12Z 515148 November, 06 2009 21:20:12 2003-07-01T00:00:00Z KieranAK -18000 false Ali, Dan always hating on Haye, picked Valuev to knock him out because "Hay has no chin". Rafael been hating on Haye from jump, like he put a pu-b-ic hair in his oatmeal or something. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:11:53Z false 2992821 0 false 2009-11-06T21:11:53Z 2032427 November, 06 2009 21:11:53 2008-04-13T00:00:00Z addex199 -36000 false Haye 216.7lb Valuev 314.6lb 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T21:05:43Z false 2992803 0 false 2009-11-06T21:05:43Z 1327796 November, 06 2009 21:05:43 2007-12-09T00:00:00Z Ali_1748 0 false Um ali, Hayes 90% ko ratio is of cruiserweights and a couple of below average heavy's. Its possible for sure but that 90% can be a misleading indicator when stepping up and fighting a man over 100lbs heavier. 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T15:10:29Z false 2991762 -1 false 2009-11-06T21:04:49Z 95665 November, 06 2009 15:10:29 2005-07-09T00:00:00Z mikebobdog -18000 false The may be the only time you see him take a loss. HAHAHAHA!!! That boy too good. RA album selling 18 copies the first week off the promo, without it 2(RA and his mom). LOL! Dudes be like : "OMG he whipped Floyd over the radio, he gotta be nice" ------------- *listens to his CD ---------- "WTF is this wa-ck ish". HAHAHAHA! --------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHd1DGxXJjY 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T20:44:28Z false 2992739 0 false 2009-11-06T20:44:28Z 2032427 November, 06 2009 20:44:28 2008-04-13T00:00:00Z addex199 -36000 false Floyd got a verbal beat down! Thank you RA! I guess I should also thank for Floyd for calling in. LOL 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T20:30:50Z false 2992709 0 false 2009-11-06T20:30:50Z 1988684 November, 06 2009 20:30:50 2004-03-03T00:00:00Z gomez1012 -18000 false RA dude got free promotion off of Floyd, he should thank him, considering he is a bum #### rapper. LOL! 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T20:21:10Z false 2992683 0 false 2009-11-06T20:21:10Z 2032427 November, 06 2009 20:21:10 2008-04-13T00:00:00Z addex199 -36000 false Gomez, Mike... Need some picks for manana's Breeder's Cup races. I came up on some good a$s tickets! Legally, too(patting myself on the back). If we lose, we'll divi the costs. If we win... (Mumbling, trailing off)"I'll uhhhh.. Mail you ummmm..something, maybe". On completely unrelated note, do Mormons celebrate Halloween?? I think we all know the answer to that question.. http://sportsnation.espn.go.com/fans/PasstheShooga#/fans/PasstheShooga/images/1191856 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T19:10:26Z false 2992473 0 false 2009-11-06T19:10:26Z 1421835 November, 06 2009 19:10:26 2008-02-07T00:00:00Z PasstheShooga -28800 false RA talking about his "interview" with Floyd --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJeCcHD5NWQ 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T17:08:44Z false 2992156 0 false 2009-11-06T17:08:44Z 1988684 November, 06 2009 17:08:44 2004-03-03T00:00:00Z gomez1012 -18000 false Haye 218 - Valuev much heavier 8433795 Discussion 0 2009-11-06T16:20:12Z false 2992003 0 false 2009-11-06T16:20:12Z 1406391 November, 06 2009 16:20:12 2008-01-28T00:00:00Z the_brigand -36000 1998-12-07T00:00:00Z espn groups http://sportsnation.espn.go.com/groups 2009-03-19T22:43:49Z ESPN Groups Message Boards 2493 false 2215 false Groups 2212 Groups 2049 2009-11-07T15:56:59Z